
This episode of the Beyond Data Podcast (Season 1, episode 3) was originally released in August 2018.
The non-native brown trout, which the data show places a burden on imperiled native fishes, is revered in the United States, while other non-natives are demonized. In this episode of the Beyond Data Podcast, we take a deep dive into the interplay between non-native and native fishes–especially salmonids. We’ll look at how our perceptions toward introduced species are shaped, and we’ll ask the question of whether or not there is a place for non-native species in ecosystems we consider healthy.

Guests
(in order of appearance)
Dr. Julie Lockwood, Professor in the Department of Ecology, Evolution, and Natural Resources at Rutgers University
Dr. David West, Science Advisor, Freshwater at New Zealand Department of Conservation
Kirk Deeter, Vice President of Trout Media at Trout Unlimited
Kim Todd, Sparrow Author of Tinkering with Eden and Sparrow
Dr. Nathaniel Hitt, Research Fish Biologist at USGS Leetown Science Center
Michael Steinberg, Author of Forthcoming A Brook Trout Pilgrimage and Associate Professor at The University of Alabama
Francis Brautigam, Maine Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife
Catherine Schmitt, Author of The President’s Salmon and Communications Director at Maine Sea Grant
Derek Young, Professional Fly Fishing Guide, Owner of Emerging Rivers Guide Services and Founder of Headwaters Matter
Links
PART I [00:00] Non-Native Cover Fish

Trout Unlimited’s Trout Magazine
PART II [4:00] Nuanced Definition
Dr. Julie Lockwood’s Invasion Ecology, 2nd Edition
“Conserving Honey Bees Does Not Help Wildlife” in Science, January 2018
“How Invasive Feral Pigs Impact the Hawaiian Islands” from Island Conservation
“Why are lionfish a growing problem in the Atlantic Ocean?” from NOAA Ocean Facts
PART III [7:50] Earth’s Virgin Utopia
New Zealand Department of Conservation
“Rotenone treatment has a short-term effect on New Zealand stream macroinvertebrate communities” in New Zealand Journal of Marine and Freshwater Research
“Reintroduction of a native galaxiid (galaxias fasciatus) following piscicide treatment in two streams: response and recovery of the fish population” from Ecology of Freshwater Fish
“Silently Spreading Death” from Fish & Game New Zealand is linked as a PDF
PART IV [21:55] The Brown Trout Comes to America
“Tinkering with Eden” by Kim Todd
PART V [27:00] What the Data Show
“USGS Study Reveals Interactive Effects of Climate Change, Invasive Species on Native Fish”
“Brook trout use of thermal refugia and foraging habitat influenced by brown trout” in Canadian Journal of Fisheries and Aquatic Sciences
Fausch’s “Competition Between Brook Trout (Salvelinus fontinalis) and Brown Trout (Salmo trutta) for Positions in a Michigan Stream” in Canadian Journal of Fisheries and Aquatic Sciences
“Temperature‐dependent shifts in phenology contribute to the success of exotic species with climate change” in the American Journal of Botany
“How Climate Change is Helping Invasive Species Take Over” in Smithsonian Magazine
PART VI [31:50] Maine’s Embattled Coldwater Fishes
Maine Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife
PART VII [42:45] Immigrant Fish & Dark Rhetoric
“Why Do I Love Brown Trout So Much?” by Kirk Deeter
David Theodoropoulos on Invasion Biology at the Public Interest Environmental Law Conference
“What is the Brown Tree Snake” from USGS FAQs
“Conserving Honey Bees Does Not Help Wildlife” in Science, January 2018
“Why are lionfish a growing problem in the Atlantic Ocean?” from NOAA Ocean Facts
PART VIII [50:05] Angler Evolution & A Conservation Ethic
Penobscot River Restoration Project
Eastern Brook Trout Joint Venture
Western Native Trout Initiative
American Sportfishing Association
Thanks
In addition to my guests today, special thanks to Loren McClenachan of Colby College and Molly Payne Wynne from The Nature Conservancy. Music by Andy Cohen and Fabrika Music at HookSounds. Sound effects by acclivity at freesound.org. A big shout out to Jess from the Murder Road Trip Podcast for New Zealand voice talent. Cheers to Clay Gloves at the Fish Nerds Podcast for doing all you do.
Beyond Data is reported, narrated and produced by me, Ret Talbot, in Rockland, Maine.
Thanks!
About the Beyond Data Podcast
For the past decade Beyond Data Podcast host Ret Talbot has been a freelance journalist and science writer reporting on fisheries at the intersection of science and sustainability. He frequently uses the hashtag #datamatter because, well, they do. But what happens when the data simply don’t exist, are insufficient or unavailable? What happens when so-called alternative facts are considered just facts and people operate under the impression that the plural of anecdote is indeed data? How do we reach consensus when everyone espouses his or her own data—his or her own facts? In the Beyond Data Podcast, Talbot and his guests go where he’s often been unwilling to go in his reporting–beyond data.